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Avoid Probate in Every State

Avoid Probate – Overview

Avoid ProbateAvoid probate and the time delay and expense if a loved one passes away or becomes incapacitated. Here comes the probate trick. When your bank account is owned by your trust, i.e., it is in the name of your trust, and you die, did the owner of the account die? No, you, the trustee, the manager of the account died. The trust, that is the owner of the account, did not die. Will the account be probated? No! The owner isn’t dead. Just the manager is dead. When the president, the manager, of IBM dies, does IBM have to probate all of its assets? No, the stockholders get together and elect a new president.

When you opened the account at the bank in the name of your trust, the bank, by letting you open the account, recognized your trust and agreed to recognize the trustees named in your trust. Of course the trust document has a section in it that appoints a new trustee, the “successor trustee,” to act when you are dead. All you do is write down a statement in the trust that says that you want your wife or husband to be the sole trustee when you die and that you want Uncle Harry to be the successor trustee when both you and your spouse are dead. You will designate Uncle Harry as the successor trustee by simply writing his name into the trust as the “successor trustee.”

OK, let’s say you and your spouse both die in an automobile accident today. What happens at the bank? Uncle Harry walks into the bank tomorrow, and the conversation with the banker goes something like this:

Uncle Harry: Hi Mr. Banker. John and Mary were killed in an automobile accident last night.

Banker: Yeah, I read about it in the newspaper. Too bad!

Uncle Harry: I need to get into the bank account.

Banker: Drop dead, buddy. Go get me a probate order. I’ll see you in a year and a half.

Uncle Harry: No, this is a trust account.

Banker: Oh, yeah.

The banker goes into the back room to get the file. When you opened the account, the banker may have made a copy of all or part of the trust. Usually the banker doesn’t actually want a copy of all the pages in your trust. It’s best to supply the banker with a certification or summary of the trust from your attorney or argue that the banker only needs a copy of the first and last pages, just to reference the trust. (When you have an attorney draft your trust, ask if a certification of the trust document is part of the deal.) If Uncle Harry has a copy of the death certificate and the trust, or the banker has his own copy of the trust, the banker will know Uncle Harry is the new trustee. The banker will ask for Uncle Harry’s identification and simply say, “sign here.”

Uncle Harry is into the bank account. No court order. No lawyer. No two year wait. No probate! When you died, there was an instantaneous transfer of power to the new trustee.

Oh, the money isn’t Uncle Harry’s now. It still belongs to the trust and Uncle Harry is now under the sacred fiduciary duty to follow your instructions and manage or distribute the property exactly according to the instructions you left behind in the trust.

You just eliminated probate. It was a slam dunk, but most people who get a living revocable trust never understand what you now have learned. You have to know why the trust works. The trust has to own the property. Most people forget to open the new checking account in the name of their trust, or they never change their existing checking account into the name of the trust. They are under the false impression that just because they have a piece of paper called a trust, they will not go through probate. You have to use the trust.

Another Probate Story

In 1976, Kristy’s parents spent in today’s dollars about $8,500 for a living revocable trust, and they happened to get a good document. When I started to work with living revocable trusts in 1981, I looked at their trust. Although they had a good document, it would not have saved their family from probating everything when they died.

The lawyer had not taught them how to use the trust. Just having a trust and understanding it isn’t enough. You have to USE your trust. I had to go back and teach them how to put the bank accounts and real estate into the trust.

Actually, the lawyer who drafted their trust had made out a new deed transferring their house into the trust, and he had sent a letter to the bank notifying the bank that a trust had been created. These were steps in the right direction, but Kristy’s parents had bought more real estate and opened all new bank accounts. None of the new real estate or bank accounts were in the name of the trust. If they had died, everything would have gone through probate.

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I want to help you understand these important legal strategies. The important thing is to get your estate planning done. Remember, understanding the trust is not enough. Once you have the trust in place, you have to maintain it correctly.

Your trust is a “living” dynamic document and concept. It isn’t something that you just put in a safe deposit box and forget about. Whether you write it or a lawyer writes the trust, it doesn’t matter. You have to know your trust inside and out and use it regularly.

I’m here to help you avoid these expensive legal traps.

(This is a small sub-chapter from my book Protecting Your Financial Future.)

How to Avoid Probate in Every State

Protecting Your Financial FutureAvoid Probate

(Avoid Probate – This is a small subchapter on how to avoid  probate from my book Protecting Your Financial Future.)

Here is how to avoid probate. When your bank account is owned by your trust, i.e., it is in the name of your trust, and you die, did the owner of the account die? No, you, the trustee, the manager of the account died. The trust, that is the owner of the account, did not die. Will the account be probated? No! The owner isn’t dead. Just the manager is dead. When the president, the manager, of IBM dies, does IBM have to probate all of its assets? No, the stockholders get together and elect a new president. That’s the way to avoid probate.

When you open the account at the bank in the name of your trust, the bank lets you open the account, recognizes your trust and agrees to recognize the trustees named in your trust. Of course the trust document has a section in it that appoints a new trustee, the “successor trustee,” to act when you are dead. There is no probate. In your trust trust you specify who you want as your successor trustee.  It can be your wife, husband, mother, daughter, friend, etc.  If you choose Uncle Harry, then designate him as the “successor trustee.”

Avoid Probate Example #1

OK, let’s say you are married and both you and your spouse die in an automobile accident today. What happens at the bank? Uncle Harry walks into the bank tomorrow, and the conversation with the banker goes something like this:

Uncle Harry: Hi Mr. Banker. John and Mary were killed in an automobile accident last night.

Banker: Yeah, I read about it in the newspaper. Too bad!

Uncle Harry: I need to get into the bank account.

Banker: Drop dead, buddy. Go get me a probate order. I’ll see you in a year and a half.

Uncle Harry: No, this is a trust account.

Banker: Oh, yeah.

The banker goes into the back room to get the file. When you opened the account, the banker may have made a copy of all or part of the trust. Usually the banker doesn’t actually want a copy of all the pages in your trust. It’s best to supply the banker with a certification or summary of the trust from your attorney or argue that the banker only needs a copy of the first and last pages, just to reference the trust. (When you have an attorney draft your trust, ask if a certification of the trust document is part of the deal.) If Uncle Harry has a copy of the death certificate and the trust, or the banker has his own copy of the trust, the banker will know Uncle Harry is the new trustee. The banker will ask for Uncle Harry’s identification and simply say, “sign here.” You will avoid probate.

Uncle Harry is into the bank account. No court order. No lawyer. No two year wait. No probate! When you died, there was an instantaneous transfer of power to the new trustee.

Oh, the money isn’t Uncle Harry’s now. It still belongs to the trust and Uncle Harry is now under the sacred fiduciary duty to follow your instructions and manage or distribute the property exactly according to the instructions you left behind in the trust.

You just eliminated probate. It was a slam dunk, but most people who get a living revocable trust never understand what you now have learned. You have to know why the trust works. The trust has to own the property. Most people forget to open the new checking account in the name of their trust, or they never change their existing checking account into the name of the trust. They are under the false impression that just because they have a piece of paper called a trust, they will not go through probate. You have to use the trust.

Avoid Probate Example #2

In 1976, Kristy’s parents spent in today’s dollars about $8,500 for a living revocable trust, and they happened to get a good document. When I started to work with living revocable trusts in 1981, I looked at their trust. Although they had a good document, it would not have let their family avoid probate when they died.

The lawyer had not taught them how to use the trust. Just having a trust and understanding it isn’t enough. You have to USE your trust to avoid probate.  I had to go back and teach them how to put the bank accounts and real estate into the trust.

Actually, the lawyer who drafted their trust had made out a new deed transferring their house into the trust, and he had sent a letter to the bank notifying the bank that a trust had been created. These were steps in the right direction, but Kristy’s parents had bought more real estate and opened all new bank accounts. None of the new real estate or bank accounts were in the name of the trust. If they had died, everything would have gone through probate.

The goal of my book is to give you the information you need to draft your own living revocable trust and avoid probate, using two or three good form books. Or you can pick a good lawyer and get it done. Whatever you do to get it done is OK by me. But I have to stress that just getting an understanding of the trust really isn’t enough. You have to really go through the steps to use the living revocable trust or it will not avoid probate. It is a “living” dynamic document and concept. It isn’t something that you just put in a safe deposit box and forget about. Whether you write it or a lawyer writes the trust, it doesn’t matter. You have to know your trust inside and out and use it regularly.

If you want to set up a trust, my book, Protecting Your Financial Future,  has detailed information on how to avoid probate for you.

 

 

When is a Trust Valid or Legal?

Question: Do I have to file the Trust with the Secretary of State for it to be immediately protected or effective? Answer:  A living revocable trust is not recorded to make it “valid,” “legal,” or “effective” in any way.  Once the trust is properly signed, it will be effective.  Of course, its effectiveness in avoiding probate depends upon your proper care and feeding of the trust. The secretary of state is the usual place where corporate, LLC and limited partnership documents are filed.  The trust is never filed there in the sense that the business documents are filed. The beauty of the trust is its privacy.  It isn’t even filed when property is passed following a death – most of the time. You have to remember that your trust is not secret.  It may not be public, but it’s not secret.  Your banker and broker may want a copy of the trust on file.  Usually, they only want a summery of the trust, or they may take a copy of the first and last page of the trust and the pages that deal with successor trustees and the trustee’s powers. In my book, Protecting Your Financial Future, I give a relative humorous story about the banker and Uncle Big Bucks.  It will give you the nuts and bolts of dealing with the bankers.  Call 801-802-9020 and order Protecting Your Financial Future. It’s $20 in the bookstores, but I’ll get it to you direct for only $14.99 with a free $20 DVD, Using the Law to Make Money and Protect Your Assets, and for a limited time there’s no shipping cost. Others need to know who they will be dealing with after you are no longer the trustee.  They need to know that the successor trustee that shows up has a copy of the trust they agreed to honor.  They need to know what the trustee can and can’t do.  But, they do not need to know how you are going to divide up your property amongst the heirs. Parts of the trust may be filed publicly when a piece of real property is transferred out of the trust.  The chain of title has to be clean, so the title office needs to know that the trustee had the authority to sign on behalf of the trust.  Here again, the more “private parts” of the trust shouldn’t be recorded. Sign the trust properly and then keep a copy in the file cabinet.  Another copy should be at the attorney’s office or someplace else so that if your file cabinet copy is destroyed you can have another originally signed copy. If you lose all of the originally signed copies of the trust, you are in DEEP trouble.

Issuing Membership Certificates for an LLC

Membership Certificate vs. Stock

By Lee R. Phillips

One of the issues that seemed to be of particular interest at our boot camp the first of March was ownership of the LLC.  Ownership is represented by the “stock” held in the LLC.

Of course, there isn’t any stock in an LLC.  It is a “membership interest,” not a stock that represents ownership of the LLC.  BUT, the membership interest needs to be treated just like stock would be treated in a corporation.

The membership interest actually needs to be “issued.”  Small businesses just kind of “forget about” issuing stock certificates in their little corporations or membership certificates in their LLCs.

You need to go through the steps of issuing the ownership certificates, whether that’s stock or membership certificates.  It’s an important part of the “formalities” that need to be followed when you have a company.

If you don’t follow the formalities, the courts won’t use the corporation or LLC to “protect” you when the company has a problem.

Issuing Membership Certificates

In order to issue a membership certificate, you need to get a membership ledger and membership certificates.  It is absolutely analogous to getting a stock ledger and stock certificates to issue in a corporation.

Email me at info@legalees.com with the subject line “need LLC membership cert and ledger,” and I will get you a nice ledger page (it only takes one page) and a membership certificate you can reproduce on the computer.

The membership certificates are usually filled out in the name of the individuals that own an interest in the LLC.  That’s OK, but the certificate is an asset, just like a stock certificate is an asset.  In fact, if it is your little company, the membership certificate represents your ownership of the company.

Making Your Trust Own Your LLC

You should put the “ownership” of your LLC, which is probably your most valuable asset (your company), in the name of your living revocable trust.  That way your company won’t be caught in a probate proceeding when you die.

To get the company “to be owned by the trust,” you will need to issue stock (membership interests) in the name of the trust.  Simply issue the certificate in the name of the trust.

If membership interests have already been issued, then you will have to get the certificates back, cancel them on the ledger and then reissue a new certificate in the name of the trust and make a new entry in the ledger.

It’s not hard.  You just need someone to give you the little clues.  If you want a primer on “issuing stock in the name of your trust,” ask for that in an email also.  Use info@legalees.com with a subject line “issuing stock in the name of a trust.”  I am happy to help.  If you have questions, let me know and I will try to get them answered.

Elizabeth Edwards’ Will and Asset Protection?

The Will and Asset Protection Elizabeth Edwards had a will and asset protection or did she? It was on the news, in the papers and on the internet. The whole world knows that Elizabeth Edwards, who died last month after a battle with breast cancer, made no mention of estranged husband John Edwards in her will. When the whole world knows your affairs because of your will is that real asset protection?  The truth is that will does not provide good asset protection. If you want true asset protection it is far better to look to a trust.  When you use a will to give a way property it must be probated.  This means you take the will to court and the judge will order how the property is distributed.   Any proceeding in court becomes a matter of public record.  Anyone can look up your will and how it was probated.  This is real breach inprivacy.

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